[lojban] Re: jordis

[jordi mas <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
wrote:
 

> You have to take into account that some of us tend
> to
> be quite blunt in expressing our opinions but that
> doesn't mean we are always right. I think Pierre's
> use of {du} in this case was perfectly correct and
> unobjectionable. Many do follow that rule of thumb
> never to use {du}, but that's their loss. {du} does
> have its proper uses.
> 
> One difference between {me} and {du} is that {x1 du
> x2}
> claims that "x1" and "x2" have exactly the same
> referent(s),
> whereas {x1 me x2} claims that the referent(s) of
> "x1" are
> among those of "x2". 
> 
> So:
> 
> (1)
> xu do fanva abu
> "Do/did you translate A?"
> 
> (2)
> xu do me le fanva be abu
> "Are you among those I describe as the translators
> of A?" 
> 
> (3)
> xu do du le fanva be abu
> "Are you the one(s) I describe as the translator(s)
> of A?"
> 
> In (2) and (3), the speaker has some referent(s) in
> mind, 
> the translators of A, and wants to know if you are
> them
> or one of them. In (1), the speaker only asks if you
> did a translation. In this case, Pierre knew about a
> person named Jordi that he called "the translator
> of A into Catalan", and he wanted to know if you
> were that 
> person, so his question with {du} was correct. 

coi xorxes.

Thanx. 

So the difference between (2) and (3) is that 
(2) asks is a set is a subset of another, 
while (3) asks for identity, is that it?

mu'o mi'e jordis.



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