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[lojban] Re: TLI and the LLG: Reunited At Last!
I got Bob. :-)
(Yes, I have his permission to repost)
-Robin
----- Forwarded message from Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> -----
Subject: Re: [lojban] TLI and the LLG: Reunited At Last!
From: Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:09:08 -0500
Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> - Loglan prims will be imported as Lojban gismu, except in cases
> where there already exists a gismu with the exact same meaning,
> or it is blocked by existing gismu forms.
The Loglan cultural triples have to be addressed. I don't think it will
be difficult to resolve this.
Does byfy approve these additions (which ones), or have you short
circuited byfy.
> - The reapproachment orthography (as per CLL, page 46) will be
> made official, and will be the standard for all LLG produced
> Loglan documents.
You are aware that the recent byfy hullabaloo that I agreed to drop out
of is entirely at conflict with this. The alternate orthography as in
CLL *required* the CLL morphology (and may have been broken even with
that morphology, according to Nora).
>The Boards of the LLG and TLI have decided on the following
>organizational changes:
>
> - Both TLI and the LLG will be dissolved, and members and
> assets be transferred to a new organization.
That is not within the power of the Board to decide. Read the Bylaws
Chapter 11. Dissolution requires unanimous approval by the Board (thus
you can't leave me out of that one), and then must be taken to a Members
meeting requiring 2/3 vote of the members (unclear whether this is 2/3
of all members or 2/3 of those present, but you would have to do the
proper notice thing for this).
You also need to organize the new organization first AND get 501(c)(3)
approval before you dissolve either parent organization, because
otherwise it is illegal under the IRS Code for either organization to
transfer assets (hence the provision in our bylaws to that effect).
Having gone through this once, expect it to take the rest of this year
to prepare the filings, get them approved by the IRS, and then be able
to proceed, unless you hire a professional (in which case it will still
take some months). I will strongly urge that a lawyer be consulted
before these actions become irrevocable, because doing it wrong will
expose directors and officers to liability.
Again, I will await an explanation, but I figured I should raise
questions that I've identified.
lojbab
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Subject: Re: [lojban] TLI and the LLG: Reunited At Last!
To: Bob Le Chevalier <lojbab>
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:13:12 -0800
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 11:09:08PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > - Loglan prims will be imported as Lojban gismu, except in
> > cases where there already exists a gismu with the exact same
> > meaning, or it is blocked by existing gismu forms.
>
> The Loglan cultural triples have to be addressed. I don't think
> it will be difficult to resolve this.
>
> Does byfy approve these additions (which ones), or have you short
> circuited byfy.
I think the byfy will have to approve it, yes.
Or they would, anyways, if it wasn't April First.
> > - The reapproachment orthography (as per CLL, page 46) will be
> > made official, and will be the standard for all LLG produced
> > Loglan documents.
>
> You are aware that the recent byfy hullabaloo that I agreed to
> drop out of is entirely at conflict with this. The alternate
> orthography as in CLL *required* the CLL morphology (and may have
> been broken even with that morphology, according to Nora).
Huh. That certainly wasn't my intention. And it would, indeed be a
serious problem.
If it wasn't April First, anyways.
> >The Boards of the LLG and TLI have decided on the following
> >organizational changes:
> >
> > - Both TLI and the LLG will be dissolved, and members and
> > assets be transferred to a new organization.
>
> That is not within the power of the Board to decide. Read the
> Bylaws Chapter 11. Dissolution requires unanimous approval by the
> Board (thus you can't leave me out of that one),
Oooh, you got me there.
Or at least you would, if it wasn't April First.
> and then must be taken to a Members meeting requiring 2/3 vote of
> the members (unclear whether this is 2/3 of all members or 2/3 of
> those present, but you would have to do the proper notice thing
> for this).
Yes, but Article 13 of the bylaws states that any motion proposed on
April First is automatically passed.
> You also need to organize the new organization first AND get
> 501(c)(3) approval before you dissolve either parent organization,
> because otherwise it is illegal under the IRS Code for either
> organization to transfer assets (hence the provision in our bylaws
> to that effect). Having gone through this once, expect it to take
> the rest of this year to prepare the filings, get them approved by
> the IRS, and then be able to proceed, unless you hire a
> professional (in which case it will still take some months). I
> will strongly urge that a lawyer be consulted before these actions
> become irrevocable, because doing it wrong will expose directors
> and officers to liability.
The 501(c)(3) approval process also has an April First exemption
clause.
> Again, I will await an explanation, but I figured I should raise
> questions that I've identified.
I hope this has clarified things.
-Robin
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