[lojban] Re: (.azbuk.(I am book))Sense of Archaic Russian alphabet

[John E Clifford <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

--- ignat 99 <ignat99@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> coi rodo
> 
> This is the exemplary(not  precise) sense of
> archaic Russian alphabet.
> Negative part goes after semicolon. In the
> curly braces the words,
> that I could not transfer. You will supplement
> and correct me, please.
> To select necessary on one word of each line
> :-))

  I am not quite sure what is going on here.  Is
it that the archaic alphabet had, like futhark,
names which had other meanings and so could be
used for fortunetelling or rapid communication
or... . If so, than Lojba does not have that
feature; but I am not sure that it is something
that we feel the lack of.
  
> Example: fa mi fe lerfu cu djuno

{fa} and {fe} are unnecessary; the word order
does the same work.  {fe lerfu} is ungrammatical:
{fe} requires a following sumti (noun phrase) and
{lerfu lone is a brivla (verb).  It needs an
article or a quantifier in front of it to become
a sumti.  As I understand the sentence, {lo} is
probably what is meant -- the unspecified letters
as a sort of thing. I am not sure exactly what
{djuno le lerfu} means, but {djuno} is the word
for knowing a fact and letters are not facts
(even if their names have other meanings), so I
think that you want {se slabu} here, "is familiar
with"  (compare German "wissen" and "kennen,"
Spanish "saber" and "conocer", French "savoir"
and "connotre" -- I don't know whether Russian
has a similar distinction, but it is that one
takes a proposition as object, the other a
person, place or thing).
 
>
http://www.lojban.org/en/publications/reference_grammar/chapter17.html#s17
> .azys.        mi
> .bukys.      lerfu, cukta, xatra

?From IE for beech -- bark and all that can be
written on it.  Should {papri}, "paper", be on
this list, too?

> .vedis.       sivni, viska, djuno, kakne,
> sanji, jijnu

?IE for "see" hence "know" an related areas of
coming to know.

> .i
> .glagolis.   selbri, ciska 
> .dobros.     ricfu, pluka
> .iestys.      gleki, zasti

These don't fit toether so well and I don't see
the source (internal to Slavic?)

> ( .ios. by ) (It is the modern Russian letter.
> Would be a smiley-face
> for respect)
> 
> (The knowledge about the Archaic Alphabet in
> contemporary person
> usually concludes at this place. And the begins
> mat(slang)   and/of 
> Rap and Hip-Hop . :-))))) )

Really? Both of these are surprising -- that
modern folk know so much arcana and that this
usage persists in the most up-to-date areas.

> .i
> .jivet.          jmive
> .selo.         jilra
> .zemlias.    terdi, xabju, jdari, kliti
> .itord.         .i .e

These make sense even from the little Russian I
know.

> .ije,is.         ko'a-ko'u, fo'a-fo'u, ta, ri
> .kakos.       simsa
> .liudi,ies.     natmi, prenu, krinu
> .myslites.    pensi
> .i
> .naciys.       kampu
> .onys.          munje
> .pokois.        jicmu, stodi
> .koppa.    
> .i
> .riytsi.          tavla, voksa

But these are beyond me.

> .slovos.        gismu, gadri, cmavo, cmene,
> valsi

Though this makes a sort of sense: words and
their classes.

> .tvriydos.      sligu, birti
> .i
> .ukys.         saske, ctuca
> .friytys.        tarbi, rorci
> .xerys.        cevni ; kunti
> .i
> .tsis.           darsi, pagre, dasni ; {scum,
> dregs}
> .tcriyviys.    curnu; betfu crida, danlu
> .cas.           vi ma; le na vamji ninmu ku
> .ctas.          ; {thief}
> .ier.             ; le  vanju pinxe remna ku
> .ierys.         ; le lijda bradi ku
> .ieriys.        ; le nandu dimna ku
> .ecarn.        zasti; {out cust}
> .ius.            gusni, blabi ; kavbu
> .ias.             jimpe, jitro ; lasna
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Yus) ; pinfu
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Yus_iotified)
> ; catra
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksi) ; le leave
> ku {die}
>
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_%28Cyrillic%29)
> ; gerku
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fita) ; {stink}
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhitsa) ; pulce
> 
Fascinating!