[lojban] Re: semantic primes

[John E Clifford <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

Yes, I know what make good frames of reference in
this case, but the question is how to say it. 
{mi} is not a frame of reference, it is a person.
 The frame of reference has to be something like
"from my point of view" or so and then the issue
is how to say it.  Maybe we can assume that the
frame of reference is always a person looking
some way and collapse the whole to the person (as
you seem to suggest) and assume he is looking the
way he in fact is, but that seems to me to miss a
lot of cases.  How are they to be expressed?

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/17/06, John E Clifford
> <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I think it is important to stress the "in
> frame
> > of reference" version of x3, especially if
> the
> > "facing" version is creating problems.  But
> how
> > do we say a frame of reference?
> 
> Typical frames of reference in x3 could be:
> 
> -The very positional reference in x2, if it is
> something
> with an intrinsic right side, such as a person.
> ("ri" will
> often get to it)
> -The speaker ("mi").
> -The audience ("do").
> -Some significant bystander.
> -A generic, unambiguously oriented person, e.g.
> "someone looking south" ("lo catlu be lo
> snanu").
> -Anything else around with an intrinsic right
> side.
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 
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