[lojban] Re: Specifying Context

["Maxim Katcharov" <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On 5/20/06, Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru> wrote:
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> Can anyone summarize, which instruments are there in Lojban for explicit
> specification of context for the meaning of the words of the speaker?

There's really no good one that I know of.

ma'i/manri seem relevant, but I do not believe that they actually fit.

(What you refer to as context I've reffered to as perceptive universe.)

> In these examples explicit context is between asterisks.
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> - Dragons can fly, *in fantasy world context*

rambalrespa poi xanri la [name of fantasy world here] ...

"dragons such that are imagined by [name of fantasy world here] ..."

This is a misuse of xanri, as it requires an imaginer in x2, and I'm
putting in the name of the specific imaginary-setting.

Wait, wait!

rambalrespa poi zasti zo'e su'u la [world-name]

dragons exist in the metaphysics of [world-name]

But then I wonder if I'm using x2 and x3 properly... I shouldn't use
zasti in this way until someone who knows more about the intent of x2
and x3 can respond.

> - There are no dragons *in the real world*

no lo ro rambalrespa cu zasti
"zero out of all hypothetical dragons exist"
"zero dragons exist"

(real world is the default perceptive universe)

> - All bears are animals *in the real world*

ro lo ro cribe cu danlu

(assuming implicit zasti)

> - All bears have something common *in human discourse*

all bears poi discussed by humans...

> - The car is green *in your context*, but *in my context* it is white

Perhaps {ganse}?

ganse gas     ga'e sense                                     x1
[observer] senses/detects/notices stimulus property x2 (ka) by means
x3 under conditions x4

"You perceive greenness of that car, but I perceive whiteness of that car"

Or perhaps this is what x2 of zasti is for?

> - The line is infinite to both sides *in abstract math / in theory*

(I'll use zasti)

lo pa linji poi zasti zo'e abstractmath ...

the line such that exists in abstract math ...

> - There are no infinite lines *in everyday life*

ro lo ro linji poi cimni [and are encountered in everyday life] cu na zasti

all lines such that are infinite and encountered in every day life do not exist.



Can anyone provide insight regarding x2 and x3 of zasti?


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