[lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all}

[John E Clifford <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

As you may recall, my suggestion mirrors the
English for "individually" and "collectively" (or
"together"), attaching as convenient to sumti or
predicate place (so, I suppose that UI is about
the only selmaho that will work -- unless we
invent a new one).  The point of using {lu'o} and
the like is that they would have no use in the
mildly revised system and so could be used for
something else -- in this case something related,
even.  I think this would have a minimal effect
on old text, since 1) {lu'o} and the like have
scarcely ever been used and 2) the old forms are
legitmate under the new dispensation and have the
same meaning (or what now corresponds to the old
meaning).  These last two claims are
impressionistic, so correct them if they are
wrong.

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/3/06, John E Clifford
> <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > --- Maxim Katcharov
> <maxim.katcharov@gmail.com>
> > > > > Use {lu'o} (or whatever) after a {gi'e}
> in
> > > the same transient manner
> > > > > in which English occasionally uses
> > > "together". There are many other
> > > > > solutions.
> >
> > Quite aside from the other points, this
> > suggestion is not without merit, since we
> need
> > some such temporary mode indicators (I
> suppose
> > "temporary" is redundant, since modes are
> only
> > for one place on one predicate at a time).
> 
> I suspect moving the word {lu'o} out of selma'o
> LAhE and into, say,
> selma'o UI, is totally out of the question at
> this stage, so whatever
> the merits of the suggestion for a
> distributivity marker on the selbri,
> you can bet from the start that it won't fly if
> you present it in terms
> of that move. Better introduce a new word for
> it. (That's my advice,
> anyway.)
> 
> As for the suggestion itself, the problem is
> that a selbri can have
> more than one argument, so it is not enough to
> have a marker that
> says "this selbri is non-distributive", you
> need a marker that says
> "this selbri is non-distributive for its n-th
> argument". Unless you want
> to say something like "this selbri is
> non-distributive for at least one
> of its arguments, use context to figure out
> which one(s)" or "this selbri
> is non-distributive for its first argument"
> (given that that is likely to be
> the one used most frequently).
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 
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