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[lojban] Re: Borges translation
Wow, "bananas". I like that word for jbopre. :)
{na} and {nai} should be removed from the second version, to mean what
you want it to mean. There's no need to attempt to recreate the double
negative from the original. I believe the last sentence ("we don't
know what thing the universe is") qualifies for the use of {du}, a
pro-selbri which means "is the same thing as".
Also perhaps {kau} "indirect question, I know WHO went to the store".
"Who went to the store"is a question, but "I know who went to the
store" is a non-question statement that has the form of a question
embedded in it. {kau} is a pro-sumti used for "who" in that sentence,
and "what" in your sentence: "What thing is the universe?"
{.i ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu du kau}
Perhaps you could also have {da} to mean "thing" between {du} and
{kau}, but someone more familiar with {kau} would know better than I
how {da} would interact with it.
By the way, Arika, slightly off topic: the latest post to the Lojban
blog would be of interest to your conlang studies.
http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/18918.html
-Eppcott
On 11/29/06, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
Ignoring the few typos, I get:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Arika Okrent wrote:
> Here's what I walked in with:
> li'a ro da poi se ciste le munje fi'e zo'e cu cunso gi'e culno so'i smadi
> .i da poi krinu le go'i cu caisampu
> .i ma'a na djuno ma le munje
Obviously, the structure of the universe, devised by someone, is random
and full of persons who guess. There is a reason for that, which *IS*
simple. What is it that we don't know about the universe?
> Here's what came out of the discussion -- while it certainly wasn't settled definitively, it got some general agreement (with the caveat that my notes are hard to read, and that the gismu choices weren't fully settled):
>
> li'a ro da poi ve ganzu le munje cu cunso na gi'e nai barda lo ka sesmadi
> .i da poi krinu la'e di'u cu mutsce sampu
> .i da zo'u ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu mokau
Obviously, not every ontology of the universe is random, neither is its
amount of conjectures large. The reason for this is very simple. As
regards something, we don't know what the universe is like.
--
Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/
[T]he savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXCC
country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears the
call sign. -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83
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