[lojban] Re: Borges translation

[John E Clifford <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

--- Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, "bananas". I like that word for jbopre. :)
> 
> {na} and {nai} should be removed from the second version, to mean what
> you want it to mean. There's no need to attempt to recreate the double
> negative from the original. I believe the last sentence ("we don't
> know what thing the universe is") qualifies for the use of {du}, a
> pro-selbri which means "is the same thing as".
> 
> Also perhaps {kau} "indirect question, I know WHO went to the store".
> "Who went to the store"is a question, but "I know who went to the
> store" is a non-question statement that has the form of a question
> embedded in it. {kau} is a pro-sumti used for "who" in that sentence,
> and "what" in your sentence: "What thing is the universe?"
> 
> {.i ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu du kau}

MA kau ({kau} attaches to a question word to create the indirect form).
 
> Perhaps you could also have {da} to mean "thing" between {du} and
> {kau}, but someone more familiar with {kau} would know better than I
> how {da} would interact with it.
> 
> By the way, Arika, slightly off topic: the latest post to the Lojban
> blog would be of interest to your conlang studies.
> http://community.livejournal.com/lojban/18918.html
> 
> -Eppcott
> 
> On 11/29/06, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
> > Ignoring the few typos, I get:
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Arika Okrent wrote:
> >
> > > Here's what I walked in with:
> > > li'a ro da poi se ciste le munje fi'e zo'e cu cunso gi'e culno so'i smadi
> > > .i da poi krinu le go'i cu caisampu
> > > .i ma'a na djuno ma le munje
> >
> > Obviously, the structure of the universe, devised by someone, is random
> > and full of persons who guess. There is a reason for that, which *IS*
> > simple. What is it that we don't know about the universe?
> >
> > > Here's what came out of the discussion -- while it certainly wasn't settled definitively, it
> got some general agreement (with the caveat that my notes are hard to read, and that the gismu
> choices weren't fully settled):
> > >
> > > li'a ro da poi ve ganzu le munje cu cunso na gi'e nai barda lo ka sesmadi
> > > .i da poi krinu la'e di'u cu mutsce sampu
> > > .i da zo'u ma'a na djuno le du'u le munje cu mokau
> >
> > Obviously, not every ontology of the universe is random, neither is its
> > amount of conjectures large. The reason for this is very simple. As
> > regards something, we don't know what the universe is like.
> >
> > --
> > Arnt Richard Johansen                                http://arj.nvg.org/
> > [T]he savvy DXer will usually bet a pair of nickels he can pinpoint the DXCC
> > country of the "chopity-chow-pit chow-chow-pi-chow" even before he hears the
> > call sign.         -John F. Lindholm, QST vol. 66 no. 3 p. 83
> >
> >
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