From: "Pablo Stafforini" <cancrians@iname.com> > For me, making a lujbo for "zen" Do you mean "lujvo" ?? And, I dn't understand the discussions about Zen. "Zen" is a name, and it often has subtly different meanings to different people. Surely it is a label, in just the same way that "English" is a label. cdw. " If you never go off at a tangent you will forever run in circles. "