RE: [lojban] Opposite of za'o

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la and cusku di'e

> We've already agreed that
> "still" could be rendered by a brivla, so this discussion
> is about whether you can say what you want using ZAhO.

I agreed {stali} was a pretty good brivla for "still".
I haven't found a good one for "already" though. {tolstali}?
{clira}?

> If I
> had my way then most redudant cmavo would be abolished,
> though, including ZAhO.

If I had mine I would abolish lots of selmaho too, but
I don't think I would start with ZAhO.

> > But za'o is permitted with non-telics too, so the
> > generalization to "still" is the next step.
>
> I think {za'o broda} entails that broda is telic, just as {mo'u}
> does. So if {broda} is not normally telic, the interpreter has
> to seek an interpretation where broda is telic.

In seeking that interpretation is that I usually run into
"still".

> You have this ideal conception of what Lojban ought to be like,
> from a user's perspective, and struggle and struggle to find ways
> to make Lojban yield some realization of this conception. To me,
> Lojban is how it is, and you like it or lump it.

To me Lojban will be what we make it. If you try to use it
I think you have to realise that at least for now and in some
sense Lojban still isn't.

co'o mi'e xorxes


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