Re: Honorifics [was: Re: [lojban] translation of "Mark"

["michael helsem" <graywyvern@hotmail.com>]

> From: pycyn@aol.com
     li'o
> Hmmmm! They show that you feel respect when speaking, so they give 
> honorific status to whomever you are speaking to, but do they really work 
> on the preceding *word*?

yes; that's the grammar of attitudinals.

If there is no better way, this might work, I suppose. But
> surely, there is a strictly lexical way that lacks this ambiguity.

BANLI CO ME LA... seems clumsier


> <(I would stay away from anything CTILE, > even metaphorically.)> >
>
>
> Nah! It's olive oil (with a mixture of herbs and spices -- formula is in 
> Leviticus somewhere, I think). xorxes has noted that {grusa} doesn't give 
> too horrible a compound

i assume you mean GRASU--h'm, "the Greasy One". no, literalness
does not help, here.

      li'o
> For what? Misses "lord" completely (ruler, supplier of food in time of 
> need,...) and does nothing for :"ho kyrios" or "adonai" that I can see. And 
> "great in spirit" is too fuzzy to very exact for any purpose, ditto 
> "spiritually great." To be sure, {turni} comes down heavy on the "rules 
> over" part and light on the provider part,

well, from context it's pretty obvious this is at best a figurative
rulership. i went for what's significant in this story. FU'EPE'A SABJI
JOI TURNI FU'O but we might as well mess with RALJU for all that
Lojban can offer in this way. personally i think we ought to get
comfortable with translating contemporary thought before we attempt
more distant & debatable texts. it's foolish to think just because
the bible is SLABU it's SE DJUNO. (there's even scholars who think
"jesus" was a code-name for 'mushroom'...)

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