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RE: [lojban] ma'a as possessive: mass or individual?
Nick:
> This came up on
> http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Each%20of%20us%20must%20bring%20t
> heir%20own%20toothbrush
>
> --- and bless whoever puts these conundrums up!
>
> How do you say "Each of us must bring their own toothbrush"?
>
> Well, fascistically,
>
> ro da po'u ma'a bilga lenu bevri le denci lumci tutci po da
>
> The question is, can this reduce to
>
> ro ma'a bilga lenu bevri le denci lumci tutci po ma'a
>
> I think no, and that this sentence means "We all must bring *our*
> toothbrush" --- i.e. the second ma'a in the sentence, like the first,
> refers to a plurality of people, and (I construe) a mass, who all own the
> thing in common. Adam thinks yes, and that the second ma'a behaves like da
> ("of each of us", rather than "of all of us".)
>
> Is there anything anywhere that says one of these two interpretations is
> incorrect? The Book gives me little light.
I think I had a go at saying the following on that page.
Whether or not ma'a is a mass, both sentences mean that the brought
toothbrush belongs to each of us ~ us all. The problem in the first sentence
is with the "po'u ma'a" and in the second is with the "po ma'a".
One way to get the correct meaning is:
ro ma'a goi ko'a bilga le nu bevri le denci lumci tutcu po ko'a
because the "goi ko'a" assigns "ko'a" separately to each member of ma'a.
Another way is:
ro da po'u (su'o) lu'a ma'a bilga le nu bevri le denci lumci tutcu po da
or
ro da po'u (su'o) lu'a ma'a zo'u da bilga le nu bevri le denci lumci tutcu
po vo'a
--And.