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Re: [lojban] Re: The Pleasures of goi (was: zipf computations & experimental cmavo



At 01:12 PM 9/30/01 +0000, mark@kli.org wrote:
Indeed.  I therefore propose that ''da'o'' be used to specify
assymetry in ''goi'' and ''cei'' assignments.  Whichever element is
da'o-ed is considered to be cleared out and overwritten by the new
value.  This may well mean redefining ''da'o'', which I think
currently means "undefine everything."  For that meaning, I propose
''da'oda'o''.  DAhO has the same grammar as UI, near enough, so it
can be considered to attach to things.  ''da'o'' outside of goi/cei
will retain the meaning of undefining whatever it's attached to.
This, I think, is a pretty small change, not really munging baseline
badly, and certainly it accords with grammar.  And I think it neatly
solves several problems at once.  ''--mi'e mark''

I second. DAhO is another example of a selma'o that should not
exist. Apparently the only difference with UI is that ''da'onai'' is
not allowed, but it has a very useful meaning: when you want to
emphasize that you are __not__ undefining something. So, whenever it
is pertinent, ''da'o'' should be moved to UI. --mi'e [xorxes]

(end of quoting)

What think you, And et al?

I agree (for once %^). da'o should have been UI. If so, then you could do a single unbinding using da'oru'e (this would be as legal now as da'oda'o, but given the parser algorithm specified in the grammar description, in theory the da'o disappears before the ru'e is applied; I doubt that the parser actually cares though). I don't support a baseline change, of course, but there seems to be enough material in the language to manage what needs to be said.

lojbab
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