[lojban] Re: livejournal discrimination

[Timothy Hobbs <tim.thelion@gmail.com>]

And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> writes:
I could not agree more with this statement, thank you for making things more clear And Rosta.
> Matt Arnold, On 10/11/2006 16:43:
>> Bob hasn't done anything so extreme as Hugh and Tim are perceiving it.
>> Personal attacks are really unnecessary in this discussion.
>>
>> Besides, why attack only Bob? Your problem is with the entire core of
>> the community and leadership. The other LLG members who have spoken
>> up, Robin Lee Powell, Mark Shoulson, And Rosta, and I, are supporting
>> what he has said. The only reason I am not leading the charge is that
>> Bob already put so well what I was going to say.
>
> I don't think I was so much supporting Bob as simply remarking on the plain social fact that the primary goal of the lojbo mainstream is to build an active speech community around Lojban as it is defined by CLL & BPFK.
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> But there has also always been within Loglan and Lojban culture a minority whose main goal was to create a near-optimal logical language. Although the mainstream has tended to perceive this minority as consisting of subversive lunatic trolls who should simply go away and create their own language, I think these 'tinkerers' recognize that the history of Lojban (and of its various moribund breakaway offshoots) proves that the sustained collaboration of many intelligent and creative minds is a key ingredient in the success of a project aiming to create a near-optimal logical language. And that, I reckon, is why tinkerers arrive and why they stick around for quite a while.
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> The core of the problem that leads to this divide in the community is that a language can't be used until its design is 'finished'. Unlike software or most other sorts of tool (but like, say, buildings), it cannot be used at the same time as alterations and improvements are being made made to the design. Hence you end up with two equally reasonable and justified camps: one that thinks that a language design is worthless if it can't be used, and that a usable design is necessarily superior to an unusable one; and another that thinks a design is not worth using if it's not up to the job it was designed for.
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> --And.
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