[lojban] Re: Cricket & fu'ivla

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Tuesday 08 May 2007 18:23, komfo,amonan wrote:
> Off and on I muse on Lojbanic vocabulary for competitive games/sports. I'll
> float some musings out here & see what happens.
>
> I'm inclined to go with fu'ivla for the basic words, hence from
> jivna : x1 competes/vies with opponent x2 in contest/competition x3 (event)
> for gain x4; x1 rivals x2
>
> one might derive the fu'ivla
> jivnrkriketi : x1 is-a-cricketer / plays-cricket
>
> Question 1: Does the x1 of a type-3 fu'ivla necessarily align with the x1
> of the root gismu (jivna in this case)? Or is it defined by the coiner? Or?

Does not necessarily, but normally does.

> Question 2: Does a fu'ivla have oblique places? (I have spotted {se
> kelcrcaxmati} for "chess".) If so, do they align with the root gismu?

They do not have to. What I'd do is take the gismu's place structure and add 
or delete places until it fits the meaning of the fu'ivla. {finprgado} has 
the same place structure as {finpe}: x1 is a codfish of species x2. But 
{jicmrboro} does not have the same place structure as {jicmu}: x1 is a 
quantity of boron.

> Question 3: Can type-3 fu'ivla be derived from lujvo? (vlatai accepts
> {seljivnrkriketi} and rejects {bajyjivnrmaratono}) (Disclaimer: I don't
> like these, but I've seen them about.)

No. {seljivnrkriketi} is a type-4 fu'ivla, and {bajyjivnrmaratono} is a lujvo 
of {bajra} and {jivnrmaratono}, and vlatai doesn't know about any sort of 
rafsi fu'ivla except CCVVCV.

{kriketi} is a valid fu'ivla too. Someone might confuse it with the insect, 
but that's {sagjalra}. Or maybe one could confuse it with {krokuta} (hyena) 
or {kriceto} (hamster). Realistically, that sort of confusion is about as 
likely as a volmabru falling out of the sky into a baseball game ;) (which 
has happened, and they sent the batboy to get it).

Pierre


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