[lojban] Re: Logflash

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 09:36:18AM -0500, Adam D. Lopresto wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
>
>> MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
>>> In a message dated 4/14/2008 04:22:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
>>> lojbab via ecartis@digitalkingdom.org writes:
>>>
>>>> But LogFlash is deemed old-fashioned by Lojbanists. 
>>>
>>> So I've gathered, but it's still the only program I use for
>>> vocabulary practice.  Maybe that explains my lack of profiency
>>> in Lojban.
>>
>> Thanks for the vote of confidence %^)
>>
>> I think the old-fashioned-ness is it being a DOS program without
>> all the features of newer interfaces (i.e Windows).  So far as I
>> know, no one has come up with, and proven, a better flash card
>> algorithm than the one JCB came up.
>
> I tried it early on, and abandoned it.  My problem wasn't so much
> the DOS aspect (though getting it to run wasn't trivial), but the
> reliance on keywords.  I knew what a tanru *was*, I even knew the
> place structure, but I couldn't remember that the keyword was
> "phrase compound".  I knew what klama meant, but couldn't remember
> whether the keyword chose was "come" or "go" (since what it means
> is of course both).  After a few of those (and a few where I
> couldn't remember the place structure to my satisfaction, but
> *could* remember the keyword, so it thought I new more than I
> did), I gave up on it.

Exactly: logflash has you memorize the wrong things.  Furthermore,
the short-term satisfaction is *far* lower than a good
spaced-repitition algorithm.  With logflash, you start getting good
(at the wrong things) months after starting.  If you add cards based
on frequency of usage with a spaced-repitition algorithm, you can
get decent conversation going in a couple of weeks.

-Robin

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