[lojban] Re: lujvo list

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 6/10/08, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking at a few of them, it seems plausible. The & is always the same
> gismu as the preceeding. But then I saw this one:
>
> kangri#with+group:cluster:$girzu1 $girzu2 $girzu3 $girzu4 $=kansa1
> $&kansa2 $=kansa3
>
> And if your idea were right, you would think that the last one would
> be $&kansa3, which would be a silly way to make a lujvo anyway.

The =kansa3 makes no sense there, but the & combines kansa1 and
kansa2 in the same place.

> My
> idea is that it's the start of a new place in the luvjo, like
> "&broda1" type tokens, and marks something about that place. Like
> maybe the way it's combined with the next one? The problem with that
> interpretation is that all of the & tokens wouldn't have to have the
> same gismu as the preceeding.

I don't think so, I think it always combines with the preceding one.

> mitsi'u:mintu+simxu:the same to each other:$simxu1 $=mintu1 $&mintu2 $mintu3
> mitsmuvla:mintu+smuni+valsi:synonym:$valsi1 $=mintu1 $mintu2 $mintu3 $valsi3
>
> This is an interesting pair of examples. Why would the & be used in
> the first but not the second?

Because in the first case mintu1 and mintu2 are combined into one
place, but in the second case they remain as separate places.

> ritna'aterjvi:brito+nanca+te+jivna:British annual/year-long
> competition [e.g. FA Cup]:$jivna3 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $jivna4
>
> A lot of them use 'jivna' and 'mintu'. The & is usually between the
> first and second place.

Which in the case of those two are the ones that could sensibly
combine to form one place.

> simfra:simxu+frati:interplay:$frati1 $&frati3 $frati2 $frati4
>
> Here's one where it's not.

Because frati1 can combine with frati3, but combining either with
frati2 wouldn't make sense.  (I think {frasi'u} is better than {simfra} for
the wanted place structure though.)

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