[lojban] Re: drani a'o pinka zo pa jo'u zo su'o

["Michael Turniansky" <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Roman Naumann <eldrikdo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2008 17:03:07 Michael Turniansky wrote:
>
>> > .i lo do te sitna cu na srana lo me zo na poi selbri tcita .i ko tcidu
>
>> > zoi zoi <http://jbotcan.org/cllc/c16/s11.html>
>
>>
>
>> ri ba'e du lo pagbu poi mi sitna ke'a
>
> .i na go'i
>
> .i ri vasru gi'enai du vau lo pagbu poi do sitna ke'a
>
> .i pe'u ko tcidu zoi zoi
>
> Let us consider the English sentence
>
> 11.1) Some children do not go to school.
>
> We cannot express this directly with ``na''; the apparently obvious
> translation
>
> 11.2)    su'oda poi verba
>
>         na klama su'ode poi ckule
>
>     At-least-one X which-are child(ren)
>
>         [false] go-to at-least-one Y which-are school(s).
>
> which converts to the external negation:
>
> 11.3)    naku zo'u su'oda poi verba
>
>         cu klama su'ode poi ckule
>
>     It is false that some which are children
>
>         go-to some which are schools.
>
>     All children don't go to some school
>
>         (not just some children).
>
> Lojban provides a negation form which more closely emulates natural language
> negation. This involves putting ``naku'' before the selbri, instead of a
> ``na''. ``naku'' is clearly a contradictory negation, given its parallel
> with prenex bridi negation. Using ``naku'', Example 11.1 can be expressed
>
> zoi
>
> .i mi zgana loza'i do to'e drani krici lodu'u lote pilno bezo na cu mutce
> simsa lote pilno be zo'oi not
>
> --

zo na na'e mintu lu naku li'u .i zo na nafxu'a piro le bridi .i lu
naku li'u nafxu'a lo tolyli'e po'o pagbu be le bridi

                                           --gejyspa


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