[lojban] Re: vlapir

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting.  I once saw someone correcting my un-grammatical post by saying
> "... di'u cu malgerna..." and was trying to mirror that.  Is "... di'u cu
> malgerna..." not quite right in the same way that "di'u cu xamgu gerna"
> isn't?
>
>

     Yes and no.  "malgerna" suffers from a confluence of issues.
One, the hot debate over exactly how one uses "mal-", and it's
meaning.  The second, from the fact that lujvo aren't the same as
tanru, in that lujvo may be assigned meanings that are at base totally
arbritrary, albeit well-defined, relations between the terms of the
underlying tanru, and can drop certain things like "ke" and "se" (and
even gismu) under certain cases. The third, traditional use.  So,
yeah, "malgerna" usually  used in that way (point 3) to mean a bad
example of grammar, but form a strictly technical standpoint (#1-#2),
it should have probably never been formed that way.  But in any case,
when you use a tanru instead of a lujvo, you are under stricter
controls as to meaning of it.

   Point #3 also explains while "malgerna" is used, instead of the
more "proper" (lower-scoring) lujvo "malge'a" (malgerna) which held
true even before the great rafsi reallocation of '93

  (In any case, if you really wanted to to use the opposite of
"malgerna", it would be  zange'a)

                                                  --gejyspa


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