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[lojban] Re: Regarding the gismu {vlagi}.



On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Lindar Greenwood <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

So, I'm still confused on the opinions of various jbopre.
Should it be freed up, or do we just not care?

Abandoning the definition of {vlagi} doesn't really free it up to be used for another word. Gismu are constructed by a particular algorithm. If more gismu were to be added, the algorithm would be applied & would yield whatever it would yield.

Moreover, the gismu list is AFAIK closed. There are some experimental gismu lying around ({kibro} and {talno} jump to mind), but AFAIK there's no mechanism for incorporating new canonical gismu (with the exception of the proposed {kanpe}).

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan


----- Original Message ----
From: Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:06:48 PM
Subject: [lojban] Re: Regarding the gismu {vlagi}.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Lindar Greenwood
<lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Couldn't this word be freed up to be used for another word?


Yes.  The whole language could be freed up, and you could replace it
with one that makes sense.  Good luck. ;)


> I mean, if we're making specialised words for things, why don't we
> have a word specifically for "switch" {vrabatke/vraga batke} or "door"
> {vrogai} instead of calling them lever-buttons and passageway-covers?


We do have specialized words for switch and door, they're just not
gismu.  There's no shame in being a lujvo.  They're just words-- it
takes practice remember to even be able to tell that "vrogai" is in a
different category because of the diphthong at the end.  One could
just as easily imagine a Lojban where things were reversed, and we had
a word for "switch" which was made into "button" by saying
"flat+switch" and a word for "door" that was made into "doorway" by
saying "door+hole".  I don't see any particular reason to prefer that
Lojban over ours.


> Even then, I've had a large argument over my preference for the word
> {vrabatke} because most feel that {batke} covers all manner of actuators,
> switches, buttons, dials, etc. and there's no need to differentiate between
> them.


I think that "vrabatke" is a beautiful word, and I intend to use it
myself.  It's true though that "batke" does include switches and so
forth-- the general rule with gismu is that their meanings are very
broad.  So in my opinion a switch can be called a "batke", or it can
be called a "vrabatke" if you want to be more specific.


mu'o mi'e la selckiku


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