On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 03:31:14PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote:
> I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this
> project if there was some sort of central online repository for
> the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that
> it would be a simple matter for those of us who are putting the
> entries in the lessons would be able to download the audio for the
> entry from said repository.
Is there some reason not to just make a page on the main web site
and attach them?
Um, permission?
General commentary on the project as a whole:
I find myself looking for a web service for flashcard stuff, and
this seems decent enough. There is something I'm wondering about
how you went about it, though:
Why not get all the words up there even if you don't have audio for
them? Can't you attach audio later? That way people who don't need
pronounciation help can just use them. I don't think that having
sound for every single gismu is really all that helpful, anyways;
having sound for sentences is something else entirely, of course.
Honestly, the only reason for having the audio first is because, at this point, Smart.fm is really flawed insofar as editing existing items is concerned. To attach audio to an item when creating the item is virtually painless and takes basically the amount of time required to find the file on your computer, whereas to attach audio to an already created file takes as much as 4 times that amount. In addition, if the person attaching the audio is not the person that created the entry, Smart.fm duplicates the item and attaches the audio to the duplicate, which causes myriad other problems.
Granted, the audio doesn't matter for people that already know the correct way to pronounce lojban. I suppose it's not absolutely neccessary to have it. There is a problem in not attaching audio, however, that being that without it, Smart.fm will still play audio for the entries, in the form of a computer-generated female voice that attampts to pronounce them according to English rules.
As it is, it's basically completely useless for me to keep
up-to-date on my Lojban memorization, which is sad.
Because it's incomplete? I agree. It is sad. And it will comtinue to be incomplete for a very long time, because at this point in time there are only two people working on it AT ALL, and it'll take a very long time to make the lesson complete. At this point slightly less than 11% of the eventual entries have definitions for Smart.fm, and only 3.5% of the terms have been entered into Smart.fm. There are 4,843 terms in total. That's an awful lot of work for two people- which is why I've asked for assistance on numerous occasions.
It seems to me that the right thing to do is to make cards for all
the base words, then make sentences that use many of them and make
sound for those (say, phrasebook type stuff), *then* make sounds for
individual words.
-Robin
--
They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
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