Re: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

Maybe the writer doesn't know that? It's the only reason I can think of that makes sense.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would guess that the reason for the {se ... fa} bit was partly to
> emphasize the experience and partly to keep from having to figure out how to
> terminate {lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'enai tavla}
>

??  It just terminates with a single kei (which, if it was moved to
the front, wouldn't even be needed if cu was there.)
  --gy

> 2010/3/5 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I once stated that the emphasis of the arguments changes when SE is
>> > used,
>> > but was told that SE does not cause such change in emphasis. It would be
>> > handy if it did.
>>
>> I think bringing an argument to the front does make it more topical.
>> But in this case, it was not really brought to the front, or it was
>> brought to the front only to be pushed back again with "fa":
>>
>>   zanfri ko'a  ->  se zanfri fa ko'a
>>
>> So the difference in this case is not really about ko'a, but about
>> where the elided zo'e is:
>>
>>   (zo'e) zanfri ko'a  -> se zanfri fa ko'a (zo'e)
>>
>> In the second form the experiencer is perhaps even more irrelevant
>> than in the first form.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
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