Re: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express?

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 05:47:36PM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote:
>>    Robin,
>>    How many native English speakers have no problem at all with the say/talk
>>    distinction? I don't. Maybe you and Jonathan are the only exceptions, and
>>    it makes no sense to change a keyword for the sake of two people out of a
>>    much larger community.
>
> I can't speak for people who haven't spoken up.  Now it's 2 to 1.
> :)  Feel free to get other people to post.
>
> I'm really curious, though: You're saying that if one flashcard say
> "a sayer" and another said "a talker", you wouldn't find that
> confusing at all?  Those seem obviously distinct to you?
>
> Regardless, please see my other post for a better suggestion (adding
> the whole place structure in).
>
>>    I prefer 'say' for "cusku". (or even better: 'cusku' for
>>    "cusku".)
>
> Erm.
>
> You do understand that we're *only* talking about flashcards, right?
> We're not talking about changing anything official, or what's in
> jbovlaste, or anything, just flashcards.
>
> A flashcard that said "cusku" on one side and "cusku" on the other
> would not be helpful.
>
> -Robin
>

  I'm sorry. I'm a native English speaker, and much as I usually argue
with Xorxes, his point is very well taken.  And Merriam-Webster agrees
with him. (say: "to express /in words/" (that last part is very
important.  It does the same thing as the "se" does in "se du'u"))  As
does your .sig  "Say" to most people at first blush does mean via
talking, but if they take five seconds to consider it (what did that
sign say?  I can't make out what this author is trying to say.  You
can say a lot with body language), you realize that you use "say"
every day to mean non-audio communication.

   I vote with the genpre -- 2-2
           --gejyspa