Re: Lojban: You're Doing it Worng (was: Re: [lojban] la .alis.)

[Minimiscience <minimiscience@gmail.com>]

de'i li 29 pi'e 03 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Jonathan Jones .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
> In any case, you didn't cast your vote on the issue. Are you abstaining?
.skamyxatra

I support the change.  If it should pass, where will it be recorded?

> > The keyword of "{jegvo}" should be "Abrahamic," not "Jehovist";
> 
> I used "Judeo-Christian" for that gismu on the Smart.fm lesson.

That omits Islam, which "{jegvo}" is supposed to include.  "Abrahamic" includes
all three faiths and, depending on your definitions, may or may not include
Bahá'í.

> > "{ta'u}" doesn't seem to serve any purpose;
> 
> It does to me, but not a very useful one. What do you think should be done
> about it?

It should be removed from the language, or at least deprecated.

> So I take it you'd like to call a vote to remove ti'o as a cmavo?

Yes.

> I admit there are many cultural gismu, but there are also many cultures. If
> anything, I think there aren't enough, as not all cultures have a gismu.
> Regardless, which cultural gismu do you think are excessive, why do you
> think this, and what would you like done about it?

I think that only those cultures that are directly relevant to Lojban should
have {gismu}, i.e., Lojban itself ({lojbo}) and the six source languages
({glico}, {jungo}, {rusko}, {spano}, {xindo}, & {xrabo}).  The {gismu} for the
continents can also stay, but I don't think they really count as cultural
{gismu} in the first place.  The remaining cultural {gismu} should be
deprecated and/or removed and their {rafsi} freed up.

> Only 3 of the non-metric gismu overlap with the metric gismu.

Making *all* of the measurement {gismu} system-independent allows one to refer
to pounds & Newtons and slugs & (kilo)grams (and non-metric amounts of current
& illumination) with relative ease.

> And since only metric uses powers of ten, it just makes metric- likely the
> most used system- more ungainly, and the- likely much less used- non-metric
> systems wouldn't get any benefit as compromise.

If only metric uses powers of ten, then "{ki'otre}" can be safely assumed to
mean "kilometer" in the majority of circumstances.  Alternatively, making all
the measurement {gismu} metric by default (e.g., by adding a place "in system
x* (default metric)" to them) also works.

mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.

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