Re: [lojban] la .alis.

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

If it is really true that the language has degenerated to the point that 'lo' and 'le' are merged as one, the replacing one by the other is indeed pointless.  And, if it is true 'le nu' was regularly used improperly, the replacing it in most places by lo might be some improvement.  Unfortunately, that move does mean that we would go from something we has some idea about ('le nu') even if it did not strictly apply, to one we have no clear idea about at all ('lo nu' or 'lo' anything, for that matter).  Btw, I hope the first protasis is not true, that in the proliferation of picky details to fix earlier goofs, we have lost one of the big distinctions that was one of the things done right from almost the beginning.



----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis.

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:41 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On a non-trivial note, I see xorxes proposing to do away with all 'le' in laAlis.  'le' was one of JCB's really clever inventions, a thing of wide genuine use.  Even in its present rather attenuated form, it is still valuable. To replace it by 'lo', whatever that may be nowadays, would degade the language severely (the o0pposite replacement might be an improvement however -- at least we would know what we had).

It's hard to see how, if "le" and "lo" are merged as one, pronouncing
the resulting form "le" could be an improvement while pronouncing it
"lo" would be a degradation.

The reason I prefer "lo nu" to the previously ubiquitous "le nu" is
that in many/most cases of "le nu" there was no intent to refer to a
specific event that the speaker had in mind, "lenu" was just the
automatic option for subordinate bridi, without any consideration of
specificity.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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