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Re: Lojban: You're Doing it Worng (was: Re: [lojban] la .alis.)

It seems like one first step would be to get all of the country names in there (in whatever form--fu'ivla or cmene, but not gismu, in my opinion), but get the cultural stuff out, so that the word is referring ONLY to the country.  One presumably wants to be able to refer to the Chinese economy, still, but without the cultural stuff.

One could then have gismu that were:

x1 reflects language x2 in aspect x3
x1 reflects culture x2 in aspect x3
x1 reflects nationality x2 in aspect x3

That greatly reduces the number of gismu needed, while removing all of the current assumptions that cultural/language/nationality are tied together.  Plus, it makes it far easier to talk about cultures/languages/nationalities that don't have established gismu.

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 15:40, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
I also agree that it makes more sense to ditch cultural gismu, since:

1) You'll never be able to have a 'complete set;' there will always be unequal representation
2) You'll never be able to find objective definitions for these cultures/languages/nations/whatever

...it just seems more sensible to me to make them fi'uvla or even just standardized cmene,
otherwise you're diluting gismu space with unclear and unmaintainable elements.
 
We just need to fill in the blanks: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/cultural+fu'ivla

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