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Re: [lojban] Re: Why jungo makes no sense



On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
On a culture tangent, here's a recent post I made at the wiki:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Why+jungo+makes+no+sense.

(summary, with background)
China is one of those situations where it puts a lot of strain on one
little gismu. China consists of a population on the eastern lowlands
of Asia that identify as "Han" (ethnically, whatever that means),
speak hundreds of languages/dialects while sharing a written script,
and its current political territory spans several previous countries
(Tibet and East Turkistan), and has nearly a dozen 'autonomous
regions,' and several disputed/ambiguous territories (Hong Kong,
Taiwan).

To boot, the term for China in lojban is 'jungo,' which derives from
the official autonym of the newest government, but not a unifying name
for the inhabitants of these territories.

My current assessment: don't mess with trying to do every 10,000
dialect/ethnicity/culture justice, because you can't. At least not
soon, and when you do, use autonymic cmene.

But we still want to talk about culture, so focus on what's defined,
which is language codes and UN recognized territorial boundaries.
Equip users of lojban to know what they're saying, and say
(specifically) what they mean.

I couldn't attach a comment on that wiki page for some reason. So I mention here that both {djonguo} and {djonxua} are legitimate stage-4 fu'ivla according to vlatai and to my gut. So you don't need to deform them. 'Hanzu' more naturally goes to {xa'anzu} to me than to {xna'adzu}, but meh.

Also, Wikipedia says that Zhongguo has been used for centuries, which is what I had always thought. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_China#Zhongguo_and_Zhonghua >

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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