[lojban] Re: Why jungo makes no sense

[Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>]

On a culture tangent, here's a recent post I made at the wiki:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Why+jungo+makes+no+sense.

(summary, with background)
China is one of those situations where it puts a lot of strain on one
little gismu. China consists of a population on the eastern lowlands
of Asia that identify as "Han" (ethnically, whatever that means),
speak hundreds of languages/dialects while sharing a written script,
and its current political territory spans several previous countries
(Tibet and East Turkistan), and has nearly a dozen 'autonomous
regions,' and several disputed/ambiguous territories (Hong Kong,
Taiwan).

To boot, the term for China in lojban is 'jungo,' which derives from
the official autonym of the newest government, but not a unifying name
for the inhabitants of these territories.

My current assessment: don't mess with trying to do every 10,000
dialect/ethnicity/culture justice, because you can't. At least not
soon, and when you do, use autonymic cmene.

But we still want to talk about culture, so focus on what's defined,
which is language codes and UN recognized territorial boundaries.
Equip users of lojban to know what they're saying, and say
(specifically) what they mean.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 21:25, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hi Oren,
>
> I read this and agree.  Why don't you post this on Googlegroups so as to
> get a debate going. It will remain invisible to most lojbanists if it just stays
> on the wiki.
>
> By the way, here are some of my favourites;
>
> 1) Gismu for Tunisian culture, none for Indian.  Half of India's population
> would feel insulted by {xingu'e} since it is non-Hindi}.
>
> 2) {kisto}.  Pakistani or Pushto.  Which is it?
>
> 3) Gismu for Taoist but none for Confucist ( I did create a fu'ivla for this).
>
> totus
>
>

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