[lojban] Re: Summary: Cultural fu'ivla

[symuyn <rbysamppi@gmail.com>]

Thank you for summing up the discussion.

I do like all of the ideas except the religion one. Is there a
particular reason why *gismu* should be used to represent religions? I
would think that fu’ivla should be used for religions, as they would
be with cultures, languages, nations, and continents. This is my
biggest qualm.

Another, less important question: why should language fu'ivla be
directly based on the ISO codes rather than their *native* names?
Well, the ISO codes *are* based on native names, as far as I can tell,
but I don't know what advantage this would give. In addition, there
could be a disadvantage in that the fu'ivla will resemble the
language's native name less, which I think is important. But…I *am*
fine with using the ISO codes, if there's a good reason.

Thirdly, will the language fu'ivla cover *languages* specifically? As
in, will it be "x1 pertains to language …" or "x1 is in language …",
etc.?

One more thing: let's include oceans and major water bodies too if
we're dealing with continents/major landmasses. :)

On Mar 31, 10:17 am, Christopher Doty <suomich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just wanted to sort of condense what we have been talking about here in a
> more compact fashion.  Essentially, the idea would be to (I've ordered the
> list logically, not temporally):
>
> 1) Chuck the cultural gismu (this seems to be an idea that has been around
> for awhile anyway, we just need good replacements).
>
> 2) Develop a new, much smaller set of gismu to cover things that were
> previously included in the cultural gismu, such as reflecting
> language/cultural/nationality in some respect.
>
> 3) For countries/territories: develop fu'ivla for the member states of the
> UN, along with other "important" areas (importance being based on an as-yet
> undetermined criterion).
>
> 4) For languages: develop fu'ivla based on the ISO code for the languages
> present in the 639-1 set of codes, but using their code as of the 639-3
> revision.  (I think it would be cool to use the language family codes, as
> presented here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2#Collective_language_codes), when
> filling out the fu'ivla.)
>
> 5) For religions: develop gismu that cover the world's major religions
> (probably with some artificial cut-off for number of adherents), (along with
> another couple gismu for "atheist" and something like "native
> beliefs/practices of x2"?)
>
> 6) For land masses: develop fu'ivla for either the seven continents as
> conventionally understood, or else for the major tectonic plates (which
> largely correlates with the continents, but leads to a bit more precision
> with a few more fu'ivla).  If we did go the plate route, we'd have to again
> have some sort of artificial cut-off TBD.
>
> Hopefully that summary accurately represents the discussion thus far.
>
> Since it seems like this project has stagnated in the past, I'm more than
> willing to head this up (in the coordinating-efforts way, not the
> making-decisions way) and start coming up with some of the fu'ivla, and get
> something set up on the wiki for people to contribute to.  But, before I do
> any of that, I'd like to make sure that a) people seem generally of the
> opinion that some change like this is probably a good idea, b) that this is
> the right way to go about it, and c) that folks are ok with a relative
> newbie like me taking point in coordinating things.  I certainly don't want
> to step on people's toes, but I'd also like to see this get done.
>
> Chris

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