Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Wednesday 31 March 2010 13:17:24 Christopher Doty wrote:
> I just wanted to sort of condense what we have been talking about here in a
> more compact fashion.  Essentially, the idea would be to (I've ordered the
> list logically, not temporally):
>
> 1) Chuck the cultural gismu (this seems to be an idea that has been around
> for awhile anyway, we just need good replacements).

No. Leave them alone. Perhaps "softo" can go once the last person born before 
the Soviet Union split dies, and I don't think "skoto" should be used for 
Gaelic or Celtic, since it was included because English, one of the source 
languages, is spoken there.

> 2) Develop a new, much smaller set of gismu to cover things that were
> previously included in the cultural gismu, such as reflecting
> language/cultural/nationality in some respect.

We have "bangu", "kulnu", "natmi", and "gugde". What more do we need?

> 3) For countries/territories: develop fu'ivla for the member states of the
> UN, along with other "important" areas (importance being based on an as-yet
> undetermined criterion).
>
> 4) For languages: develop fu'ivla based on the ISO code for the languages
> present in the 639-1 set of codes, but using their code as of the 639-3
> revision.  (I think it would be cool to use the language family codes, as
> presented here (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639-2#Collective_language_codes), when
> filling out the fu'ivla.)

I think that fu'ivla for languages should be usually based on the autonym of 
the language. This will result in collisions (e.g. in one country there are 
three languages called Pong), which have to be resolved somehow (e.g. 
slovako/slovino). Also the place structure for a type-4 fu'ivla is "x1 
reflects Almonian language/culture in aspect x2"; for the language 
specifically, use a type-3 based on "bangu".

Pierre
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