Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the phonotactics of Lojban, being so restricted, this is
> always going to be a problem, I think.  A greater issue caused by 'c' (whose
> idea was that letter, anyway?!),

I assume it was JCB's idea, since Lojban inherited it from Loglan.
It's not as crazy as it may seem though, given that:

Every phoneme that could get its IPA representation, got it.

The two that could not, [ʒ] and [ʃ], had to choose between: c, j, q, w

The obvious choice for [ʒ] was "j", and that only really left "c" or
"q" for [ʃ].

[ʃ] is not really such a bad sound for a "soft" c.

> as it could be, phonetically, /s, k, or
> tc/.  My gut reaction is to go for the sound over the actual letter.

Ouch! What's the point of using the codes then?

> In terms of the ISO codes, the original idea (in my head, at least) would be
> to have the fu'ivla forms based on the ISO to as large as an extent as
> possible, but fully acknowledging that it might not always be.

If the transformation ISO -> fu'ivla is not univocal and preferrably
reversible, it loses most of its appeal, at least for me.

> Developing these isn't really all that hard.  Here's a sample of what I came
> up with earlier, which took maybe 20-30 minutes.  In all of the below,
> everything before the ' is derived as much as possible from the language
> code, the second part from the language family ISO code.
> Language name in English (native name) fu'ivla (actual language ISO
> code/language family ISO code)
> Afar (Afaraf) fra'afa (aar/afa)
> Albanian (Shqip) ski'ine (sqi/ine)
> Amharic (-amharinynya-) xma'afa (amh/afa)

This one fails. "xm" is not a valid initial. ".amxafa" works fine though.

> Argonese (Argonés) gra'ine (arg/ine)

Why not ".argine"?

> Assamese (অসমীয়া) sma'ine (asm/ine)
> Belarusian (Беларуская) ble'ine (bel/ine)
> Breton (brezhoneg) bre'ine (bre/ine)
> Chechen (нохчийн мотт) tce'acu (che/cau)

OK, don't let me stop you. :)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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