RE: [lojban] 3 loafs

["Robert A. McIvor" <rmcivor@macsrule.com>]

From: "Robert A. McIvor" <rmcivor@macsrule.com>

>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:47:00 -0500
>To: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@pmail.net>
>From: "Robert A. McIvor" <rmcivor@macsrule.com>
>Subject: RE: [lojban] 3 loafs
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>> And Rosta wrote:
>>> From: John Cowan <cowan@locke.ccil.org>
>>>
>>> Robert A. McIvor scripsit:
>>>
>>> > >>         In Loglan, I would have said 'da [pa] gentci ne rebfoa'
>>> He/she/it
>>> > >> again-ate a bread-loaf, which put the stress on the repetition of the
>>> > >> eating act rather than the characteristics of the loaf.
>>> > >
>>> Ah, I see the problem.  You mean to say that he is eating a loaf (the same
>>> or another) on a *different* occasion, whereas I understood you to mean
>>> that he is eating a loaf on *multiple* occasions, in which case I think
>>> it is clear that the same loaf is meant.
>>
>>As for the actual Lojban ex given above, my interpretation is John's.
>>
>	Maybe I confused things a bit by the E translation 'again-ate'.
>However,
>as a matter of principle, I consider a predicate to indicate an operation
>which takes
>arguments.  I see no reason why the arguments should be considered to be
>linked unless the
>arguments themselves specify a linkage.  To me, gentci just indicated two
>eating
>operations  linked as a time-series.  Since the bread arguments were both
>indefinite, in my
>opinion there is no reason to consider them linked.  However, if, as in E,
>one wished definitely to indicate that the same loaf was not eaten twice,
>one could say ne norsao rebfoa (a not-same bread-form).  Does Lojban
>interpret predicates differently?
>
>



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