Re: mine, thine, hisn, hern, itsn ourn, yourn and theirn (was[lojban] si'o)

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la nitcion cusku di'e

> Well then. I still think it's butt-ugly, but it's not as insane* as I first
> thought. (For 'insane', read 'ill-motivated, capricious, and
> unformalisable'.)

Thanks! :)

> Oh, one more thing? If this is how you do it, then I don't think sumti are
> indexes, but quoted words are.

No! It's the sumti. I don't wat to index Alice's hand with the
word "Alice", I want to index it with the little girl who has
a hand. (The indexing does not have to be one-to-one, btw. Just
as there can be two 7ths, there can be two of Alice's hands.)

> But {mi} am not a {tcita}; {zo mi} is
> a {tcita}.

No, {zo mi} is a tcita of you, but the thing used to single out
what's yours is you, not the word {mi}.

> Just like it's not {lo cimei} that's doing the labelling in {ci
> moi}, but {li ci}, the abstraction.

But {li ci} is not {zo ci}. The thing used to select is the number,
not its name.

> la .oslos. me [zo/le] gugdrnorge moi le'i trutca
> leka ganai ce'u ny.moi vo'e vo'i gi ce'u trutca [la'eny./ny.]
>
> I don't know if that {leka ce'u se tructa} will work for "'ordinal' label
> of this capital is the country of which this is the capital" ---
> particularly with that nasty recursion I slipped in there with {vo'i}. If
> it doesn't, xorxes, I think the responsibility is yours to find a
> {ce'u}-expression that will; and only then can I accept this as a
> legitimate expansion of {moi} (which I still won't use. :-) ). Because you
> are not inimical to formalisation, I think you will...

I'm certainly not inimical, on the contrary, I'm very much in favour.
But I don't get what you're doing with the ganai...gi..., I would say:

  la oslos me le norgo moi lei tcadu le ka ce'u trutca makau
  Oslo is Norway-th among cities ordered (indexed) by whose
  capital they are.

The point of the construction though is to avoid filling the x2
and x3. Otherwise we would just say {la oslos cu trutca le norgo}.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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