Re: Massive irony (Everson, please read) (was Re: [lojban] BPFK Announcement: Orthography)

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

What did I say that was different than that?

All vowel-initial words in Lojban are required to start with a
pause, which is often rendered as a glottal stop.  It is not
*required* in writing, but it is generally considered good style in
writing for publication and such.  Everson appeared to be asserting
that the "." in ".i" was a sentence-ending pause, which simply isn't
correct.

-Robin

On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:43:06AM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote:
> That was not my understanding at all--I thought that, like
> English, all vowel-initial words in Lojban are required to start
> with a glottal stop, but, because it is predictable, it isn't
> required to be written. Is that not the case?
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2010, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 09:20:29AM +0100, Michael Everson wrote:
> >> On 7 Apr 2010, at 07:00, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >>
> >> > So, ironically, working on this made me much more receptive to
> >> > Everson's plans.
> >> >
> >> > I *still* think ". I" looks like cat barf, but I think that's
> >> > just me being conservative, so I'm going to be less of a dick
> >> > about it.
> >>
> >> Remember, in the "standard typography" version "." and "I" are
> >> unrelated. The glottal/pause is inherent in initial vowels and
> >> words following "la"; the full stop is just the sentence-ending
> >> blort.
> >
> > No, it isn't; the "." is there *because of the "i".  They are,
> > conceptually, directly attached to each other, so they should be
> > visually attached too.  If there was no "i", there would be no ".".
> >
> > Lojban does not require a full stop (if that's linguistically
> > different than a pause, which it seems to be?) anywhere, including
> > at the end of sentences.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > --
> > They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
> > And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something
> > other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
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They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/

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