Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community.

[Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This also might be fine for a written language, since you can sit and look at a
> sentence, but in speech, people just aren't going to be able to process Lojban.


As someone who's reasonably fluent in Lojban, I find sitting here and
reading this kind of assertion positively bizarre.  In theory I should
have trouble with "klama" and "fanva"?  OK, um, interesting
hypothesis-- but we've already done the test: I don't!  Actually I can
quite easily understand sentences like "la .bastyn. se klama mi fu lo
karce" (I went to Boston in the car.) or "ma xe fanva fi lo glibau"
(What's a translation into English?), either written or spoken, as
well as producing them fluently.  I do it all day long!  Remind me
again why I shouldn't be able to??



And also from lojbab:


On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
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> It is easy to break this unity - terklama might be unusable as a predicate
> in fluent speech because it breaks up that unity.  We'll find out, won't we?


I have already found out!  I will tell you.  It takes a moment to
process a word like "terkla" the first time you see it, and then you
quickly get used to it and stop noticing it.  No one becomes fluent in
Lojban as it's spoken today without feeling very comfortable with "te"
converted gismu.


Lojban hasn't proved all that much, but I feel confident in saying
that it's at least falsified this hypothesis, that it's somehow not
even possible to have 5 place gismu.  I've never seen a new student
struggle on "klama", and I've never seen people invent circumlocutions
to avoid the supposed mental strain of using the later places of
"klama".  We use it every day and it seems to be easy, actually.  So,
there's that!


mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

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