El 15/04/2010 04:52 a.m., Oren escribió: > I like the idea of categories (or... tags!), I think the wiki is the > place for it to happen, and I also think we shouldn't start from > scratch. The thesaurus on the wiki page already segregates all gismu > into hierarchical categories. We can make a page template that allows > people to add "lujvo requests" to a category. A sister project to > consider would be fleshing out that same ontology with the existing > specialized lujvo lists and the lujvo flat file. > > I would also think that English/natlang glosses for the categories > should be optional while lojban section titles be mandatory and > default, for clarity. > > Back to the original topic of finding a minimal wordlist for a > dictionary, I think the real forward-thinking approach would be to > find some sufficiently open project similar to EuroWordNet [a > multilingual WordNet], and then extracting a set number of unique > *syslinks* (word senses), so that when we sit down to define 'spring' > we don't have to remember jumping, metal coils and le printemps all by > our erring-human selves. > > We could either use an arbitrary limit and go by frequency, and/or go > for all syslinks that contain an arbitrary number of constituent > languages. For example, only bother with 50% of all word senses that > appear in three or more languages. > > co'o mi'e korbi > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 15:13, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote: >> My absolutely fantastic idea that donri/kribacr started and never >> finished (or never even started, but definitely came up before I >> thought of it [but it's still my idea]) is/was/will be to have groups >> of people select topics, and then go through and come up with as many >> words related to that topic as possible. I got this idea one day as I >> was sticking masking tape to pretty much everything around my >> apartment and writing the Lojban word for it in sharpie. I came across >> the simple fact that jvs didn't have words for "pot", "kitchen", >> "frying pan", etc., so I came up with words for them, and I think at >> least "kitchen" (jupku'a) is up there. I tried this again with >> computer terminology and it completely failed as nobody could agree >> properly on things (like "window", on which I still harshly/ >> obnoxiously/rudely/insultingly disagree with xorxes). >> >> Rather than having one person sit through some big gehorsenshitfesten >> (parden my German) trying to pick out the most common concepts in the >> universe, why don't we use the wiki idea and create "conversational >> categories" under which we can place words (probably a lot of fu'ivla >> and lujvo) relevant to the topic. This will generate a much larger and >> relevant body of information, and it's a -much- less daunting task. >> For example, I am a recording engineer, so I would be likely to start >> a "recording technology" topic, and possibly contribute to the "music" >> topic as I would be more likely than anybody else to need/use words >> like "Hertz"/"kHz", "microphone", "nearfield monitors", "synthesizer", >> "MIDI", "mixing console", "bass", "treble", and I would probably be >> more qualified to determine what kind of terminology in Lojban is the >> most suitable. I'd also be fairly interested in the "kitchen and >> cooking" topic, and I think a great many a newbie would be very >> interested in the "household objects" topic, which would probably >> include a pointer to the "kitchen and cooking" topic and maybe even a >> "bathroom and hygiene" topic. This way people find what interests them >> and contribute to topics that they enjoy, which doesn't necessarily >> give an accurate picture of common usage based on an average through >> world cultures, but definitely gives a good sampling of words to use >> in conversation for the types of conversation that people learning >> Lojban would have. It works as a double edged sword (of handiness) in >> that we have people that are going to enjoy working because they're >> learning how to talk about things that interest them by contributing >> (which means things are more likely to get added, being that it's fun >> and not a chore) -AND- that we have quick 'topic reference' >> dictionaries so you can just leave the list open and peak through to >> make it easier to carry on conversations about what an arse your >> government leader is without having to poke through a list for ten >> minutes while the conversation has already passed because you wanted a >> word for "idiot" and jvs only had "stupid" as a gloss word for >> tolmencre. (Bad example, you get the picture.) >> >> Perhaps we can quickly brainstorm a few major topics just to have >> something up on a wiki? >> >> household items >> kitchen and cooking >> bathroom and hygiene >> sports and spectating >> automotive and driving >> computer ((hot topic, prone to arguments)) >> music >> politics and law >> school and education >> work and the workplace >> friends and family >> >> The idea would be to have a big list of topics (and possibly >> subtopics), and on the pages of each we have brief glosses with Lojban >> words, with links to a page detailing the place structure, examples of >> usage, actual usage example if available, and potentially a relevant >> image (for those that learn by seeing and not reading). >> >> Perhaps under "household items" is "garage", and on the page for that >> it includes a little link for "see section: automotive and driving", >> and perhaps even "garage" is also located under "automotive and >> driving" or somesuch. >> >> Neatonifty idea, right? >> Ey, I like this ideas... count me in when it's starting (I can help in many of those :) mu'o mi'e .leos. -- My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com
Attachment:
signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature