Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro'

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

So we're basck to "What in the Hell does 'lo broda' mean?"  Apparently "them what participates in brodaing".  But then. since, apparently, 'lo broda cu broda' is meant to be true 'broda' actually means "particpates in brodaing' since there is not guarantee that lo broda actually broda either individually or collectively, though perhaps some of them do.  How do we get back to broda itself?


----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro'

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:26 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [Okay, lets take the the people who carried today.  There are 15 groups, each of them referents of the term.

None of the 15 groups are referents of the term. It's the members of
those groups that are referents of the term.

> How do we get down from that to the five people actually involved -- which five are not in fact referents of the term, since they don't carry together.

They don't have to carry all together or all by themselves or in any
other particular distribution in order to be referents of the term.
They just have to carry. The manner, whether together, in groups,
taking turns, at the same time, in different arrangements at different
times, etc, if important, has to be specified by some other means.

> That is, though the referents at different times today were different (not a problem), the question is about the referent for today as a whole.   We're not seeking added precision here, we are just trying to get to the simplest case: the newspaper headline, for example.]

Those would be the five. "The people who carried today" refers to the
people who carried today.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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