Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i}

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se> wrote:
>
> The thing about {za'u re'u} is it suggests {za'u so'i re'u}.
> It does apply to any time other than the first time, but is *usually* used
> to indicate that something happens again after relatively many times.

I don't know. I would have thought using it for the second time was
about as common as for all other times combined. And probably the same
for "again".
Would you not naturally use "again" for the second time something happens?

> When a tanru gets to become too lexicalized, turn it into a lujvo so
> that tanru space can remain as compositional as possible.

lujvo are not just lexicalized tanru. In fact there should be no
connection between lujvo and tanru. Unfortunately, lujvo are taught as
"coming from an underlying tanru", but they don't really come from a
tanru. The place structure of a lujvo is usually rather different from
that of any tanru one might want to associate with it. The only
connection between a lujvo and a tanru might be with respect to the x1
of each, but all else is in general different.


> By the way, I think it may be a good idea to have an escape hatch for
> this kind of lexicalization.  A way to say, "interpret this compositionally."
> Preferably as a UI.  Then we would get "interpret this lexically" for free.

There's "pe'a", although that's not exactly what you're talking about.

> For example: ZEI is "interpret this tanru lexically".  But how do we say
> "do not interpret this tanru lexically"?

I wouldn't say that's what ZEI is. What would be an example of a
lexical interpretation of a tanru?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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