Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i}

[Daniel Brockman <daniel@gointeractive.se>]

>> Yeah, they're probably equivalent, but I particularly like the {na}
>> interpretation because {UI sai cu'i} = {sei na mutce lo ka broda}
>> ends up meaning something useful.  If we take {cu'i} for {nutli}, then
>> we get {sei nutli lo ka mutce lo ka broda}, which seems useless.
>
> I think I would tend to read that as ((UI sai) cu'i) rather than as
> (UI (sai cu'i)).

What do you mean, what difference would that make?

> What about "UI cu'i cu'i"? Would the two cu'i cancel out in your scheme?

I guess {ui cu'i cu'i} = "It's not that I'm not happy..."

> All of this reminds me of this long ago exercise:
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Three-value+Logic
>
> This is what was said of "cu'i" in that three-value logic system:
>
> "(0,1,-1) is not absolutely neutral, it is uncertainty with a bent
> towards assertion, but it is the closest to neutral and we do need it
> to generate others, so {cu'i} has to be it."
>
> Which is kind of similar to what I was saying about "o'acu'i" and "modesty".
>
> In the three-value system, full neutrality was cu'icai (-1, 1, -1)
> (i.e. an operator that returns false for true or false, and true for
> neutral.)

Yeah, I read about that once.  Very interesting, even though I don't
quite grasp the concept of three-value logic.

>>>> I have never used {be'u} nor seen it used, so I have no intuitions
>>>> about what it might mean.
>>>
>>> I think it's "sei to'e dukse".
>>
>> Well... okay.  So could I say {be'u} when I'm hungry?
>> Whenever I have too little of something, {be'u} applies?
>
> Not sure if "be'u" by itself would be very clear just to express that
> you're hungry, but if you are hungry and someone is not serving enough
> on your plate, you might indicate that with "be'u", "not enough!"

Right, okay. :-)

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