Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i}

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se> wrote:
>
> Okay, here's what I mean.
>
> {o'a cu'i} = "not proud (but not necessarily ashamed)"
> {o'a ru'i} = "a little proud"
> {o'a} = "proud"
> {o'a sai} = "very proud"
>
> So {cu'i} kind of means "I don't particularly feel this."
>
> {o'o cu'i} = "not patient (but not necessarily impatient)"
> {o'u cu'i} = "not relaxed (but not necessarily stressed)"
>
> It works in the opposite direction too:
>
> {o'a nai cu'i} = "not ashamed (but not necessarily proud)"
> {o'o nai cu'i} = "not impatient (but not necessarily patient)"
> {o'u nai cu'i} = "not stressed (but not necessarily relaxed)"
>
> Essentially, I want to split each scale into two separate scales (usually
> opposite, but sometimes not quite), ranging from {cu'i}, which I consider
> to be zero, through {ru'e}, {ja'ai}, {sai} and maybe beyond.
>
> Every scale becomes a question of "how much of this do you feel,"
> rather than a gradient between two emotions.
>
> Am I making sense?

It makes sense, and I think that's how it works for the most part.
Where we may disagree is in that I think the cu'i point in many cases
(not always) is qualitatively different from just being the zero point
on a scale. An extreme example might be "ba'a cu'i", which I don't
know how you could fit as the zero point of the "ba'a" scale, but even
without going to such extreme cases, something like "modesty" is not
quite the same as mere absence of pride, it's more like an extreme
minimization or tempering, toning down, mitigating of pride (much more
than "ru'e"). Or somehing like that.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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