Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i}

[Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se>]

I forgot to reply to this.

2010/4/25 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Daniel Brockman <dbrockman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, my proposal:
>>
>>  * {UI} and {UI nai} are dictionary-defined.
>>  * {UI sai}, {UI ru'e} and {UI cu'i} are fully compositional.
>
> It sounds reasonable, but consider for example:
>
> .o'a (UI1)
> Attitudinal. Used to express pride / dignity / self-confidence /
> smugness / bravado / grandiloquence / pomposity / cockiness / conceit
> / arrogance. (cf. jgira)
>
> .o'a cu'i (UI*1)
> Attitudinal. Used to express modesty / humility / humbleness /
> discreetness / meekness / unpretentiousness / reserve. (cf. cumla)
>
> .o'a nai (UI*1)
> Attitudinal. Used to express shame / abashment / embarrassment /
> humiliation / mortification. (cf. ckeji)
>
> Isn't it useful to have the words modesty / humility / humbleness /
> discreetness / meekness / unpretentiousness / reserve associated in
> some way with "o'a cu'i"? And also the lojban word "cumla"? At least
> the entry for "cumla" should probably make some reference to "o'a
> cu'i", and in an English-Lojban dictionary the entries for modesty,
> humility, etc should mention "o'a cu'i", whether the dictionary has an
> entry for ".o'a cu'i" or not.

Agreed.

In general, I don't object to listing a compositional phrase in the
dictionary as the Lojban translation of an English word.

We can list {re roi} as the translation of "twice", too, but that doesn't
mean we should think of {re roi} as having a definition of its own.
Instead, the meaning of {re roi} follows directly from the meaning of
its components, and I think the same should hold for {.o'a cu'i}.

Besides, why'd you leave out {.o'a nai cu'i}?

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