Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i}

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se> wrote:
>
> No, I don't think {.o'a cu'i} is a midpoint at all.  I think it's a
> zero point.  To me, {cu'i} means zero.
>
> So {.o'a cu'i} simply means zero pride.

"Zero pride" has negative connotations that ".o'a cu'i" doesn't have,
and it's not quite the same as "modesty", but that may or may not be
relevant to what you are saying.

Are you saying that:

(1) There shouldn't be an entry for ".o'a cu'i" in jbovlaste.

(2) There shouldn't be a definition for ".o'a cu'i" in
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Realis+Attitudinals

(3) In the event that the LLG ever publishes a dictionary, that
dictionary should not have an entry for ".o'a cu'i".

As for (1), the way jbovlaste was designed it is not possible to have
a natlang -> lojban result unless there is a lojban entry, so the only
way that jbovlaste can return something for a search on "twice" is if
it has an entry for "re roi". That may be a less than optimal design,
but that's how it is.

As for (2),  I'm not convinced that the cu'i words are really
transparently compositional. The wording "zero X" does not seem to
capture their meaning in most cases, but that may be just a failure of
the English idiom "zero X". "Zero patience" suggests impatience, not
"o'o cu'i", "zero relaxation" suggests stress, not "o'u cu'i", and so
on.

As for (3), it's probably too early to decide anything one way or the
other, but I suppose the obvious choice would be to follow whatever we
do for (2).

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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