Re: [lojban] Attitudinal scales and the meaning of {cu'i}

[Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se>]

Having slept on this, I think I'm back to my original position,
and I now think that {ba'a cu'i} should mean "non-expectation".
But at least now I know that it's not fully backwards-compatible.

I might prefer {cu'i} as a contradictory negator for attitudinals,
by the way, rather than a "zeroer".

That gives

UI = sei broda
UI ru'e = sei milxe lo ka broda
UI sai = sei mutce lo ka broda
UI cu'i = sei na broda
UI nai = sei to'e broda
UI sai cu'i = sei na mutce lo ka broda
UI ru'e sai = sei milxe lo ka mutce broda

I think this is my current preferred scheme.


Some random examples:

o'a = sei jgira
o'a cu'i = sei na jgira
ba'a = sei kanpe
ba'a cu'i = sei na kanpe
ba'a nai = sei morji
ba'a nai cu'i = sei na morji
ba'a sai cu'i = se ina mutce lo ka kanpe

> I suppose "ba'aru'ecai" is as close as you can get to not expecting.

Ugh...

>> Why not {o'a cu'i sai} for "strong modesty"?
>
> That's how I would understand it. Although it doesn't seem very modest
> to express modesty so strongly. Let's say "u'o cu'i sai" for extreme
> shyness instead.

Good point. :-)

>> Also: if {cu'i} doesn't do it, how do we indicate absence of an emotion?
>
> I would have said "be'u", but apparently someone feels very strongly
> that "be'u" cannot apply to other attitudinals.

I have never used {be'u} nor seen it used, so I have no intuitions
about what it might mean.

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