Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements

[Gabriel Koulikov <gabekoulikov@gmail.com>]

Maybe "pi'e" could be used to separate the isotope number?  If it's
not already used with chemical compounds, that should minimize
potential ambiguity.

Or even in long chemical names.  Anyone think of any cmavo-type
chemical separators equivalent to the various IUPAC conventions?
(commas, hyphens, superscripts, subscripts, etc.?)  Unless we want to
ditch the international chemistry community, my idea is that creating
Lojbanic equivalents for each existing IUPAC convention (or specifying
pre-existing words for such use) is the way to go.

I like Pierre's partial gismu list, as it seems to flow more naturally
given IUPAC conventions.  Expanding on that, and using Lojban numbers
with special (or existing) separators seems the most logical way
towards a completely workable list of chemistry representation in my
view.

Especially if people think of expanding into biochem. :-)  Any Lojban
names for omega-3 fatty acids yet? (or the citric acid cycle, myelin,
myofibrils, microtubules, etc.?)

-Gabriel

P.S. What does it take for these kinds of ideas and conventions to
work their way into some sort of "official" form?  Do people just give
opinions, and then the most frequently and widely used opinion
eventually becomes official, or what?  My understanding is that it's
been quite a while since the last "official" language update.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:35 AM, lojdjis <petxd086@googlemail.com> wrote:
> AFAIK "xi" means subscript. So maybe then we can say
> xukmixexipa is Protium (Hydrogen-1)
> xukmixexire is Deuterium (Hydrogen-2)
> xukmixexici is Tritium (Hydrogen-3)
>
>
> On Jun 16, 4:55 pm, Jorge Llambías <jjllamb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:49 AM, lojdjis <petxd...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > We can use:
>> > xukmixepa is Hydrogen-1
>> > xukmixere is Deuterium (Hydrogen-2)
>> > xukmixeci is Tritium (Hydrogen-3)
>>
>> > And we need something that will indicate hydrogen in general as we
>> > can't say "xukmixe" as noted earlier.
>>
>> "xukmixe" is fine. The problem is only with I, O, and U. (And A and E,
>> if they existed.) One way to solve it could be to add a nonsense
>> syllable, although that's not terribly elegant, say: xukmi'ine,
>> xukmi'oksi, xukmi'ura.
>>
>> There is a minor potential problem with the isotopes idea, because
>> "mu" could represent either "m" or "5", so "xukmicumu" is Curium (Cm),
>> but with the isotope convention in place someone might think it's
>> Carbon-5. I don't think this causes any actual ambiguity, but then you
>> won't be able to just read the symbol from the fu'ivla without knowing
>> something about the elements.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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