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Re: [lojban] Illogical English Sign



Way to give the trick away xorxes.  Now lindar's department will always win because he'll spend hours a day dispensing soap down the drain.

ta'onai

I heard one of these ambiguous tidbits in a song the other day.  From a song by shiny toy guns there's a bit of lyrics that goes: 
"I can't forget what you've forgotten".  Is the artist saying {mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i da poi do tolmo'i ke'a} or {mi na kakne lo nu tolmo'i lo fatci be fa lo nu do tolmo'i}?

2010/8/6 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I considered it to be more pronomial mismatch than ambiguity.
> I'd've preferred "Those identified not washing their hands
>  after bathroom use may be approached by their coworkers", personally.
> (And similarly with your example sentence. I consider it just plain
> wrong)  But your solution works just as well, I suppose.

I think Spanish is more accepting of matching any noun with first and
second person pronouns (especially plural) than English is. Perhaps
the writers of the sign chose the second person to implicate the
reader more.

>    You might consider it Big Brotherish, but this was an excerpt from
> the bottom of this three paragraph sign.  The first was a reminder
> from the Center of Disease Control about the importance of hand
> washing, and the second an appeal to protect yourself, your family,
> your coworkers and patients from disease.  Remember, this is a
> hospital, and hand washing is the number one way of avoiding spreading
> infections.. a very important consideration in a place where a great
> many people are medically fragile and there are many resistant
> bacteria and viruses around in the air, on surfaces, etc.

Yes, I realized that.

> Social
> ostracism is an important mechanism of compliance.

Here's another cultural tidbit for Lindar. I suspect in my culture
being the coworker doing the approaching in this case would be more
embarrasing than being the one approached. But I don't have any
experience with work in a hospital. Do coworkers actually approach one
other with this stuff? And relying too much on this for compliance may
encourage the attitude of "if I'm alone in the bathroom I don't really
need to wash".

> They even have
> monthly reports of which departments have done the best job washing up
> after using the restroom (how they know, I can only guess.  Bathroom
> Stasi, I guess)

Maybe they measure the amount of soap used or something.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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