Re: [lojban] Trilling/rolling R

[Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com>]

On 15 August 2010 21:18, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> (what exactly is the
> difference between trilling and rolling?)

It's the same thing. Correct linguistic term is alveolar trill
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_trill), but in English-speaking
areas it is also known as rolled r.

However, there is a difference between alveolar trill "r" and alveolar
flap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveolar_flap) "ɾ". Alveolar trill
can be seen as multiple repeated alveolar flaps (carrrrramba), while
alveolar flap is even present in some English accents. For example,
"attaboy" and "attagirl" are in some English accents pronounced as
/ˈæɾəbɔːɪ/ and /ˈæɾəgɜːɹl/, respectively, with "tt" being pronounced
as alveolar flap. In some accents "better" is /ˈbɛɾə/ and "glottis" is
/ˈglɑɾɨs/.

In most Indo-European languages which feature alveolar trill and
alveolar flap, they are treated as allophones (e.g. in
Serbo-Croatian), while in some (e.g. in Spanish) they're treated as
separate phonemes.

As for how to pronounce them, I can't really help through e-mail, can I? :P

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