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Re: [lojban] Proposal for Katakana Lojban orthography.





On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2 September 2010 20:00, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

is pronounced {cy.}, and followed by a vowel or 'y' kana, as in cusku: シウスクウ or シュスクウ.


The latter one should be シュスク (without ウ at the end).

All the "Cu" kana are pronounced without the 'u' bit, as です is pronounced 'des', in the proposal. As such, the ウ has to be there. Otherwise, how would you know that シュスク is pronounced {cusku} and not {cusuku}?

To write {si}, use スイ.

To write {zi}, use ズイ.



スイ is more like {sui}. I suggest スィ. Likewise, ズィ for {zi}.

See above, although the subscript イ is basically the same thing, as far as I'm concerned. (It does look a bit better.)


is pronounced {jy.} and follows the same rules as , as in djica: ヅジイシャ.


or ヂシャ. {tci} can unambiguously be チ, and {dji} ヂ.

It has to be that ヂ is  {di}, チ is {ti}, and {tci} is ツシイ, or it would break the rest of the proposal.

For example: Is ヂクル″ {diklu} or {djiklu}?


is pronounced {.y.}

To write {y'u}, use ハウ.


ハウ is most probably {xau} or {'au}.

{'u} is tricky. It would have to be distinguishable from {fu} and {xu}, and both Katakana and Hiragana have none for {'u} and {xu}. フ is actually {fu}, but you have assigned it to {fy}.
 
Because only フ is pronounced with the {fy.} sound, it is {fy.}. So, {fa}, {fi}, {fu},{fe}, {fo} are フア, フイ, フウ, フエ, フオ. Since this means there is no 'hu', I decided on using ハウ to mean that. Doing a subscript ウ would be preferable. I considered ヒウ, ヘウ, and ホウ as well, and ハウ just looks the best to me. I also considered making ヘ be {y'y} instead of {y'e}, which would mean that ハ, ヒ, and ホ aren't used at all.
 

is pronounced {vy.}, and followed by a vowel, as in vu: ワウ.


ワ is actually {ua}. ワウ is {uau}.

The foreign {v} sound in Japanese is typically transliterated as ヴ, as in ラヴ for "love".

I didn't know that. I also have no idea how to make that symbol with a standard U.S. keyboard, so....

The reason I chose ワ for {vy.} is because we have ウア, so ワ isn't needed for it. The ウ" works for me.


The 'k' kana with º is pronounced {xy.} as in xrula: ºルウラ″ア.


That's an interesting idea. ゜ for a non-labial is never used in formal Japanese. It looks funny to the natives, so it sometimes gets used in manga for comical expressions.

{xy.} and {ky.} are closely related, and ガ, etc. are already used for {gV}, so that was my best idea. I know that's not what the maru symbolizes. (It is called maru, yes?)

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