Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  But that goes all the way back to the Loglan "bi", doesn't it?
(which only meant "=", IIRC)

            --gejyspa


On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 1:51 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why is the word for the concept of identity not in the class of basic words
> (those of form CVCCV or CCVC)?  Well it usta was; 'dunli' is the relict of
> that ancient time.  But then the powers that were notice that people
> generally used 'same' and even 'identical' to mean something relative to
> some relevant property;.  At the same time, during one of the occasional
> thinking sprees about MEX, some one noted they needed an word for '=' that
> fit in with that program.  Soooo, eventually the two concepts split, the
> practical, relative one going to a gismu, the stricter, more mathematical,
> to something tha looked OK in formulae.  More or less.
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:08:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo
>
> I know that, I meant why is the word that means what {du} means in GOhA and
> a cmavo? That is, why isn't it a gismu?
> mu'o mi'e latros.
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying
>>> that better, but I still cringe a bit at that.
>>> Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?
>>
>> It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are
>> cmavo.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, a few more typos:
>>> {bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong.
>>> {ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"
>>> Nice, by the way.
>>> mu'o mi'e latros.
>>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"
>>>>
>>>> Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's
>>>> apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the
>>>> same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
>>>> which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
>>>> trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would
>>>> probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT).
>>>>
>>>> So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.
>>>>
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