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Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo
Yes, the story comes from the late 60s or early 70s. since part of it was
already solid in the first big printing of Loglan (basically the most finished
part of MEX)
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From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 1:03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo
But that goes all the way back to the Loglan "bi", doesn't it?
(which only meant "=", IIRC)
--gejyspa
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 1:51 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why is the word for the concept of identity not in the class of basic words
> (those of form CVCCV or CCVC)? Well it usta was; 'dunli' is the relict of
> that ancient time. But then the powers that were notice that people
> generally used 'same' and even 'identical' to mean something relative to
> some relevant property;. At the same time, during one of the occasional
> thinking sprees about MEX, some one noted they needed an word for '=' that
> fit in with that program. Soooo, eventually the two concepts split, the
> practical, relative one going to a gismu, the stricter, more mathematical,
> to something tha looked OK in formulae. More or less.
> ________________________________
> From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sun, October 10, 2010 12:08:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Learning cmavo
>
> I know that, I meant why is the word that means what {du} means in GOhA and
> a cmavo? That is, why isn't it a gismu?
> mu'o mi'e latros.
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Agh. "A word is a selbri." I know there aren't many ways of saying
>>> that better, but I still cringe a bit at that.
>>> Also, why IS {du} in GOhA? Why is it even a cmavo?
>>
>> It's a cmavo because of it's shape. It's a CV word. All CV words are
>> cmavo.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, a few more typos:
>>> {bu'a} and friends are numbered wrong.
>>> {ma} has "simti" instead of "sumti"
>>> Nice, by the way.
>>> mu'o mi'e latros.
>>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> du means "x1 is exactly the same thing as x2"
>>>>
>>>> Not like "this apple is exactly the same as that apple", but "Jeff's
>>>> apple is the same as this apple." x1 and x2 of {du} are one and the
>>>> same object/person/thing/idea. I believe it's derived from dunli,
>>>> which is where 1 and 2 are similar objects and x3 is the similar
>>>> trait. If there was anything in Lojban that was like "is", {du} would
>>>> probably be it (in the sense of "Mr. Jingle is Jeff's bird." OSLT).
>>>>
>>>> So... not pro-bridi, it's an actual selbri.
>>>>
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>>
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>>
>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu
>> do zo'o
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