Re: [lojban] vrici cimei

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> 2010/10/26 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
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>> Not only a non-donkey steps only once on thin ice
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> that is equal to «da xislu gi'e papo'oroi stapa» ± ji'a/si'a

  (xasli, not xislu.  Xislu aren't known for the steppingness.  Not to
worry, I get them confused all the time myself)

  Yes, it is, although I might even make that stronger by adding a
"ro" at the beginning.


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>>  The problem with that formulation ["li'anai lo broda cu brode"] is that a broda DOES brode.  So
>> clearly it does.
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> Then I've missed the point of "even".
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  "Even X does Y" implies "there are one or more non X that do Y", "X
does Y, and it is somewhat surprising/counterintuitive that X does Y"
and "anything which exhibits a  quaility Q of not-being-able-to-Y
which measures somewhere between 0 and X's value of Q (inclusive) can
Y, but probably nothing whose value of Q is higher than X's value of
Q".

   (My restatement of) your formulation of "ji'a ro xasli cu papo'oroi
stapa" actually works quite well, actually, to fulfill those
conditions.  My concerns had been to show that donkeys AND non-donkeys
do and to emphasize the suprise value of donkeys doing it. I think
your simple "ji'a" handles that well.

              --gejyspa

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